Ambition Today Episode Transcript

Allen Saakyan - Episode 38


This is Ambition Today. Today we are joined by Allen Saakyan. Here's the founder of Simulation and he's also the producer of the World's Fair Nano USA. These are the entrepreneurs creators investors and Builders who ambitiously changed to the world explore the hardships and heroism of everyday life while we reveal the key moments to leave behind a lasting Legacy.

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I guess I've ever received. Last episode we talked to Wes Schaeffer. He is the CEO of the sales whisperer and he helps founders with professional sales training and inbound marketing. But today I'm really excited. We're joined by Alan is the founder of simulation, which is helping people better understand who we truly are as a civilization and where we're going is also the producer of the World's Fair USA a two-day festival with mind-blowing technology futuristic talks interactive art live music and food bringing the World's Fair back to America Ellen, uh, Welcome to the show really excited to have you here.

Awesome Kevin. That was such a great intro. Thank you very much. No, no problem. Where are you today? Where are you calling from?  Coming in from San Francisco? That's awesome. Well, I'm really excited. Uh, this is going to be a little bit of a different episode. We're going to do a little bit of a crossover between my show ambition today and shows simulation.

Uh, and I'm really excited to get into you know, your own story, but also get you know, really deep into the future and how society and civilization are building it, which is great. Exactly that is a huge theme of our show is to bring on all these different scientists entrepreneurs Educators game changers and talk to them about the future that they're building and also about the Way That civilization could be designed to make it a much more fruitful prosperous place for everyone moving down the line.

And I know that you have a lot of these game changers on ambition today, which is really exciting. Uh, and it's going to be good to be able to go back and forth between simulation ambition today. Awesome. So if you're listening out there keep it open mind as we change up the format a little bit.

Uh, some of this recording will be live. Um, we're going to be live streaming this as well. So, uh, Alan Let's uh, let's uh, you know, take a step back and we'll let's get into it. Yeah, let's do it. I want to ask first you've been hustling it now for green half years with entrepreneurs helping them, uh across the world now get their ideas to fruition impacting people.

You've also been doing any ambition today now helping. Uh get people's voices out there that are impacting the world. So what have been some of your favorite takeaways from doing this work? Yeah for sure and thank you for the intro Alan. So we um, actually just last night. We graduated our winter cohort 14 amazing companies and have actually now helped start over 100 companies here in New York, which is pretty amazing to think and in the short time, but um, you know, My favorite lessons.

Well some of it there's there's some favorite lessons from the class from the accelerator and there's so my favorite letters from the podcast. Um, I would like to highlight that I last night. Um, one of the things we talked a lot about and I think this is sort of a trend in 2018 with improving diversity.

Um, we've been making efforts at that at found stood for almost three years. Now if not longer and we do these through these things go fellowships. We have a 1/4 space. We have one for veterans. We have one for girls in Tech and we've a partnership with girls in Tech, um to help change those ratios, right and um and the right now the average ratio of female CEOs.

And Silicon Valley is 17 percent and I'm excited because last night we graduated a 67 percent female cohort of founder state which was which is amazing. I felt so, um, you know, I think the lesson there right is like yes about lessons that I've learned. Um, maybe they're not direct lessons from you know, someone telling us something but things we've learned from our experience is this stuff works, right?

And it does it takes time, right? Um every man does it take time? But if you play the long game, right, it's just so much more rewarding and you can make such a bigger impact right? Um, then if you're concerned about, you know, the next paycheck or trying to figure something out within a month like you just you kind of need to take the time early on to find your North Star, um, and and keep walking towards it, you know week after week month after month year after year to get where you really want to go.

So that's one. I love how the ratio now of your graduates is leaning more in the direction of female. Uh, it's interesting New York is a very diverse place. So SF so to see people. Um of diverse thought uh and diverse places around the world be founders of companies and having them bring these philosophies from around the world and the baked into their companies and teaching people here out west what they've been learning, um people out here in the west teach them what they've been learning.

Um, and then also just this, uh, this hustle you're right that about figuring out that thing that is your North Star whatever that is. And hopefully bring some value to the world. But even though we all out a lot of us through entrepreneurship start very poor and we hustle very hard through that being for and then the only after a couple years really, uh, does it often we have to get through those couple years for it to actually pay off.

So, um, I'm glad you highlight that those are good points. Yeah, and the other thing I would highlight two and I'm gonna give give a shout-out to simulation. I believe you had a data started founder Institute you had him I think on the first episode of simulation, um, which for those of you who want to like know more about the.

Cosmic psychology of entrepreneurs and uh, great episode really good episode you guys really got into like into some into some stuff on there. Um, but I had a day on ambition today at through talking with him. He always says this thing he always says the only time a company dies is when the founder quit.

And for a while I was like, all right, fun cliche sounds good. Um, but now that I'm into this away. It's so true. Right like, um, the only time a company fails is when the founder says I am no longer going to push the ball up the hill anymore, right? Maybe it's because you got another job offer There's an opportunity cost.

Maybe it's because you ran out of money. Maybe it's because. Do you had a kid life happened? Right like um, but a lot of Founders just push through these Milestones like. Month after quarter after year, right and the ones that just don't give up. I've seen Founders Burn It Down To Zero from 400 employees and then rebuild and build multi-million hundred million dollar companies again, right?

And so you just can't give up. You just got to keep going um and and pushing forward if you truly believe that it's possible and they can can make the world a better place.

Man, thinking about the visual of someone pushing a boulder up the mountain and then when they. Or hitting these little these it's interesting because I'm starting to paint out this analogy more but as you push up, there are these uh plateaus and the BIOS that kind of gets a little easier. Maybe you get in some blow.

There's a plateau it's easier to push the Boulder and then you go on another up again and like right now we're fundraising for patreon at our studio to try and become sustainable and we're on this up, right? There's so many of these forces around us that are going like you need to pay you need to pay you need to pay and it's like and it's like, uh, why am I doing this again?

Like you just be so much easier to just not have to worry about this and. Yeah, do whatever else and so that's these forces that are trying to push you down. Um, and if you drop, once you drop this older and you run away from this idea like a day of said that is the moment that the come that the boulder just rolls down and then it's done.

So if you're if you're fully able to dedicate yourself through the hardships of these really tough inclines, but also these plateaus where you can celebrate a little more when you've achieved some some of your milestones and then you keep going and keep us. Entrepreneurship is the best thing you'll ever do.

Yeah, and I think I actually really like let's just keep going with this analogy because it's awesome. We can even make the boulder a snowball right? So it gets bigger though. You push it right which is in the whole other thing to think about but I'd say another Milestone that Founders need to be thinking about and it's underrated is going full time on your business, right?

Um, I had some of the other day who was single and their 20s being like I don't understand why everyone just doesn't go full time on their 20 full-time on their business. I was like, well, some people have kids some people have jobs and health insurance and like this is not an easy leap to make where you've quit something.

That's a sure thing. How's your the mortgage payment? Right and and to just bet all the chips on upcoming Revenue, right? And so um to your Boulder analogy right like not being full time on your businesses like leaving that Boulder every day for eight hours. Watching it roll back and then sort of like coming back in the evenings and like pushing it back up.

Right? And so, um, you know another lesson from the show, I would say you getting to being full time on your business regardless of revenues regardless of you know, it's more about your own personal Runway and what allows you to do that focus with that much time, uh is a huge milestone that Founders need to be thinking about.

I'm really happy. We're continuing on this analogy. Uh, I like how you I like how you describe how as with the boulder gets pushed up the hill once you gain like it starts as a very sort of like a little Pebble or like a grain of sand really a marble size idea and then you gain like maybe uh attraction from like a dozen people around you that are interested in it, and then it becomes a little bit bigger and more people are talkin about it now, and then once you're actually selling this product you.

To there's more people being impacted by the boulder keeps getting larger and larger in size. And then if you add things like you said family or if you add a um, uh needing to leave to go do something for like Health purposes or whatever these different variables are that pull people away from their focus on their on their business.

Um, you know, usually we use the example of nurturing a child. You stopped nurturing the child the child's going to experience some sort of uh of of nutrition, um, you know defect at the at that moment and so in that period of time so with the boulder it might be like, you said it starts rolling back a bit.

Um, Uh, if you can find a successful platform to leave the boulder on and one of the plateaus maybe or platform in there, uh, maybe somebody with a good skill set then uh that can hold it in place while before you come back. That would be ideal. I wanted to ask you about your. Uh the last couple of years as you've been identifying entrepreneurs, um that are uh, trying to that are doing ideas that are changing the world that are also with uh, with outbound Ventures the companies that you guys are looking at with the NYC Innovation Collective these these um, these companies that are trying to change the world.

How do you identify companies that have really strong and Founders that have really strong values and first principles? Yeah, sure. So let's take a step back a sec. How do you define values and first principles before I tell you abunch of Founders that have them? Yeah. So so for example, like one of our values that we identify people with is like their passion to want to change the world.

They're passionate want to make the world a better place. And so that's obviously subjective thing. But at the same time when you look at our world if it's something like wanting to progress a sustainability of the planet or wanting to do things like help in um people with Alzheimer's or help people that are underprivileged and underprivileged areas or help with uh with creating a more sustainable future in terms of energy.

Or food production and so the more that identify myself with those values and I and I see people building those Industries the more I associate myself with myself with them rather than maybe somebody that's making a. Uh, maybe making a game that is just meant like Candy Crush or some so yeah. Yeah.

Yes, so It's Tricky, right and I'm gonna you know, I for everyone that's out there should go definitely check out that episode with Alan and a day because you guys talked a lot about. Waking people up, right and where we help Founders where I typically help Founders is I will help someone as early as I have an idea.

I have three ideas. I don't know what to do with them and someone who's as far along as you know, I have a hundred thousand dollars in Revenue, right? And so everyone sort of in that early stage, um, you know, figuring out these things and then formalizing, I'm right but I would say at the earliest stage right like, You guys made this even the day I made this analogy were like a lot of people need to be awoken to really realize their potential and not just go watch Netflix or go about their day and you know waste time traffic commuting and all this stuff, right?

And so, um, but you made the point that people don't. People can be like the grizzly bear when they do wake up, but they don't wake up fighting right they wake up and slowly come out of hibernation like tired and the groggy then slowly over time over actually months to like a year people change and become almost as new person.

They reprogram themselves to be an entrepreneur, right? Um, but I would say during that process. You don't know what you don't know right and you don't which means you think you should maybe be paying attention to. Things but in reality your mentors and ever that's already gone through this journey.

Just telling you need to be paying attention over here. Right and I would say to your point about values and passion that is one of them that you just have to pay attention to and I could tell you from wearing with hundreds of Founders that um, they don't want to write their like, how do I get investors?

How do I how do I get Revenue? I got it. I need a technical co-founder. I got to get this built right? It's like that's cool. But literally just take five days, right? Take a step back figure out like is this really what you want to be doing is just really aligned with like your passion, right? Um with your life experience what you care about because and if it does amazing, right you need to go do that right?

But if it doesn't this is the analogy right passion is equivalent to the amount of gas in your tank. And so if you don't take the five days step back to make sure you have the passion. I promise you you will die. Your company will die somewhere around nine months to five years right at some point in there.

You're gonna run out of gas. You're gonna be like. Screw it. I'm not doing this anymore. Right and you're gonna give up and you're gonna quit and that's why the company is gonna fail in the boulders gonna fall back down right back down the hill. So, um passion is so important. Um, now all those other things that's business things all then get layered on top of that and they're equally as important but it's like this is the foundation and the hierarchy that you need to be thinking about.

Um, Because life happens and in those moments when life happens, what are you going to choose? You're nailing it? It's so important to go back and take a take a third person perspective on what you're doing and what you're building because if it's not aligned with what you truly are about like you said so many people are just how do I get more money?

How do I get more Founders? How do I get more technical development on my project? How do I get to sales? Um Venture money. We don't take a step back often enough to look back and say that do I want to build this for the next five years because if we did that more often than we would see potentially ourselves going.

Oh, maybe I want to build something with a little more impact in a different area of expertise, or maybe I don't want to be working at this company 9 to 5. Maybe I want to take a bigger risk. Maybe I'm at a point where I'm in my mid 20s or early 30s or wherever I'm at and I do not want to work nine to five for someone else.

Sometimes there's not enough people around you that are also entrepreneurs that are pushing you really hard and telling you yes, you can. Yes, you can achieve this goal of starting a business. You totally can do it. Sometimes there's not enough people doing that and because of that we don't question.

Nine to five enough. Yeah, and the reality to here is. Let's say you give what you want, right? Let's say that you start this company. You didn't do that self work, right? Um, and it works right now, you're building this company for 15 to 25 years because it's making a ton of money, but you're doing something you hate and now you're just trapped in your own thing you created right and uh, you know, Loosens to figure out why you just literally take the step back in the beginning and figure out if this is right for you and why you should be doing this.

Yeah, I can't even begin to imagine what the boulder being like super massive and then you're like at the clearly a good way up the mountain and it's so massive Boulder and you're just sitting there holding it going. Why did I bring this boulder up? Yeah, exactly. Have you sit so bad so much better to to know every single step along the way while you're doing this while you're passionate about it.

For example with with what we're doing at simulation. The reason why we're doing it is because we want to design civilization in a way that's more prosperous for everybody and that helps us on this thousand year clock. So that way we actually figure out how to survive uh how to sustainably build um, and especially how to self-actualize children in the world right now.

Uh, we we have so many of these exponential Technologies running fourth into our world and we're very much so leaving behind the conversation that parents need to be having with their kids about a and Automation and biotechnology and all these. From ways that our society tremendously being impacted.

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So I did bishan today. We like to highlight. We really start with people's childhoods. Right? And we like to figure out why people are doing what they're doing really getting into the insights. We don't honestly care what color you drive now that you've sold your 100 million dollar business, right?

How you got there? Because those are the lessons that other Founders care about right? So I want to take a step back here. I want to get into the future a little bit. But um, you know, let's go back. Let's take it back to you for a sec. Right? Give me give me just one lesson or something from growing up right then really had an impact on you.

Like why do you care about the future right? Like what it was a star trek-like was it an uncle who was super entrepreneur entrepreneurial? Um, yeah. Tell us your story a little bit. Uh, what had an impact on you. Good question question Kevin. So I think a big one for influencing me boards entrepreneurship was knowing that there's this this path that everybody takes and I really like to go on the other.

And that's probably the main point um, and analyzing Society to the point where I almost became like very aware that almost all of my peers were going down this path and I was like, wow, that's do you do we even know what alternative paths exists? Who has taught us about the other paths the school system sure doesn't teach us about the other pass to our parents teach us about the other paths do our do our communities do our mentors.

Do we even have mentors when we're 18 years old telling us where we can go what we can do. So that's what really drew me to the other path. I wanted to be different. I wanted to be unusual. I wanted to be an. The very idiosyncratic figure that Drew other people to the other path. I wanted to go forth on this path and then tell other people that were on the other path like hey check out this other path.

Look at what you can do if you just say to yourself I can do something different. And that that that's probably the biggest driver for me. Uh, yeah to get into yeah entrepreneurship and if you go back to what we were saying earlier about Founders, right and to what you just said everyone on that other path, you don't know what you don't know.

Right? And so the moment you had this like Awakening you were like awoke to Dana's point right where like, oh, maybe I'll just I can still go down that. But what else is there right and you started to look around and I think one of the most underrated things in the world is mentors, right?

Everybody should have. A mentor, um, and I don't think enough people do I think a lot of people have people they get advice from or things on the internet they read right? But like you got to really find people in the world that you like that you maybe want to sort of emulate and uh figure out how to get their guidance and their and their their mentorship.

I think that's super important to achieving your goals, uh long-term. Wow, the mentor aspect of growing up is so crucial and this is this actually has some literature. Uh, I'll talk on the literature quick before I get into my example, which is that. There were um, I forgot exactly when the studies were done.

But the idea was that if you have there a couple variables I learned about the studies three years ago. There are a couple of variables that go into a child or graduating from high school and then choosing to leave their high school to go to a prestigious University. And that they got accepted into and a couple of the variables that influence them are things like did somebody in your high school before hand go to that University?

So has somebody already made that has somebody done that but have they paved that path before the second one is do you have a counselor or a teacher or a member of your community or a parent that is actively saying you can do it that you can make this decision you can make this leap of faith. You can actually get there.

Totally those the idea of mentorship is a crucial part of the influence of getting somebody from a young age to be ennobling that they can bring their value and impact to the world without feeling like they have to go down the other path or be squashed along the way and so for example with um with me, I remember when I was uh when I was.

19 first moving to Silicon Valley taking this leap of faith. One of the things that I was telling myself over and over again when I moved here was I need to find a mentor. I need to find somebody that will take me under their wing that will help me because I had these word docs full of ideas that I wanted to execute but I needed somebody to be like no that's not going to work.

That's not going to work this might work, but you need to do XYZ to make it work go to this Meetup go meet these people. Um, and just imagine if you have somebody doing that, um that. That helps you so much versus you not knowing what to do falling on your face a bunch of extra times that you don't need to um, save so much time and then even today what was it yesterday yesterday.

I just had one of my friends Wilson call me and he's a younger guy and he's really ambitious and he's wanting to move to Silicon Valley and impact the world and I'm giving him advice and last week. Somebody else called me for something similar. And so this this is exactly what I want to offer back to people this exactly what we need we.

The system of 25 year olds helping 20 year olds 20 year olds helping 15 year olds this whole near Pier near pure experience. Um, and I have so many 30 and 35 and 40 year olds that I talk to all the time about how to help maximize what I'm doing. Um, so. This whole mentorship is is crucial and why don't we have this in our in our high school system.

The closest thing we have to a mentor is our is our teacher in the high school system. Um, but what would it be? Like if we actually made a like a day in high school when you had. Um, maybe the uh, like a sea level exact accompanied in the in the area maybe a Healthcare company or food tech company or um, or like a blockchain in crypto company come into the high school and what if they were to talk for 15 minutes, um, and maybe answer questions from the from the high schoolers about what they're building and how the young kids can get involved.

Maybe they can have a day of. Uh of wearing the high schoolers go to that company, uh and immerse themselves in what they're actually doing and they provide the lunch for them and everything something like that. We don't do this enough. Um, we don't pair mentors with with students enough. So yeah, you nailed it there.

Yeah for sure and um, You said there were teachers shout out to all the teachers because yesterday was national teacher appreciation day and I'm married to a teacher. So shout out to all the teachers. But yes, we also need mentors right because so many of these teachers are already overwhelmed.

They have classrooms of like 30 to 40 kids and like study show. You're supposed to have like 20 to 25 tops, right? And um, yeah such a good point. But um, and I want to ask you another question. Um, I know your audience is probably very familiar with the World's Fair. Um, but my audience I think it's amazing.

I one of my favorite things about you is you're all about the future but the future like a very amazing almost science fiction level. But but right where that science fiction Point like touches reality, right and so I went to the World's Fair you had it in Brooklyn this last year, um, and it was some amazing exhibitions there, but for my audience that maybe doesn't know.

Can you give a quick recap of what the World's Fair is and uh and what it's doing today and I would love to hear like, you know where it's going. Yeah, definitely. So we did the World's Fair, uh for the last two and half years in New York and San FranSiskar back and forth. And so it's a two-day future Festival featuring some of the greatest technology of that.

You can put your hands on like a rvr drones electric skateboards 3D printers, then we also have a speaker stage going on. Both base filled with talks about vertical farming or Neuroscience or a or robotics. All these different talks as well. And so, um, we're currently trying to figure out what's going on with our finances because we haven't been able to turn profitability on the fairs and we really want to make it happen.

And this is like the so crucial like if you want to throw these massive big festivals that get people inspired the future. It's so important to figure out how to make them sustainable and and you know, that's a huge part of Entrepreneurship is either you fundraise you get sponsors you get tickets sales you sell VIP tickets.

There's so many aspects of this in order to help make it happen. And uh, and we're figuring that out. Um, we're thinking about doing some smaller like maybe half day or one-day events focused on on topics like Ai and Robotics and one, um event and maybe a in healthcare and fintech that kind of stuff.

So we're figuring it out right now. Um, and uh, but the goal in mind is totally still to get to a six-month 100 million person Festival as in we want to rebirth the idea of to getting a big plot of land somewhere in Houston and then having companies come there for six straight months to exhibit and speak and have people flying from around the world over that six-month period to experience all these different aspects of the future.

So that is totally. Still on the radar of something such a cool event that we could throw and inspire people with. Yeah, that would be amazing. Uh, you know, I living in New York. We still have all the remnants of the 19, you know. Mid-1900s World's Fair right in Flushing Meadows Park. We have the the giant Earth the sphere the unisphere, um the towers for Men In Black that everyone seems to know um, ya know that be amazing, uh best of luck.

Yeah, Kevin. How about I ask you one of our simulation questions, which is um pool. We have a growing.

Push right now for both globalization and for uh technology to be uh, exacerbating, um wealth inequality. It's occurring on multiple fronts. What are you think? What do you think is going on? How do we build a globalized world together? How do you balance like nationalism versus collectivism across the planet?

And then also, how do you um, figure out what we're going to do about wealth and equality. Well, all right. I want to separate that out there because I feel like there was a few things in there. Right? So, um globalization is is definitely happening and I think it's happening much faster than anyone realized.

Um, you know, you look at what's happening with Cambridge analytical and Facebook and Russia and the way that things can be an influence influenced across borders just by using the internet. Um, It's amazing. Um, and I think that's actually only going to get faster. Um, I know blockchain is a bit of a buzz word that a lot of people are are sick of but it's coming right?

Um, so money towns and people have switched from you know, writing mobile apps to building out the blocked infrastructure, um decentralizing the internet. So these Cambridge analytical Facebook trust issues can't happen again, um, and so globalization is. Here to stay in probably only going to exacerbate and the new nation borders will probably be Earth and Mars at some point in the next hundred years.

Um, but um, But so so we'll see what happens there. I mean you have any thoughts on globalization before we we jumped to uh wealth inequality. Yeah. Do you know that you read did you read a 0 to 1 Peter thiel's book. I did a few years ago. Yeah. Yeah the idea of having the zero to the one be the actual creativity or the innovation of the idea.

And then the one too many be the globalization aspect of things. Um, I thought that that's a really good way to put it and I'm totally for the one too many like doing that as fast as possible. There's definitely certain people that do that distribution. That's really important, but I don't think there's enough people that are working on this zero to one in a way that is driven by ethics and philosophy and values and principles of building a better world.

I think there's a lot of people that work on the zero to one in the. In a way that distracts people from truth and uh, you know on the show, I'm not I you know, Ron is pushing me to be more raw and more real and I am that and I want to be more wrong real and not someone that hides behind in everything's positive sort of mentality and it's just not there's people that are distracted and and and I'm and I'm not and it's not okay to to globalize our world for distraction for the attention.

Kana me um, that's not fair it's bullshit and it's distracting people away from truth and and from um, and from so many things that are so important to building a sustainable future. So, you know, we'll address that more on the show as we keep going around. There's that word truth again, you know truth whose truth Your Truth my truth, you know, be careful with truth.

I just want to say that we're all looking for truth confirmation bias cognitive dissonance those things in mind and no one will get her. At the same time I want to say we talked about on the show truth a lot. Um and Truth are truth is things like the Earth being feared truth is things like the Earth orbiting the star truth is things like your heart beating approximately 100,000 times a day to keep you alive.

Um truth is things like the evolution of the cosmos. These are true things true things. Like you think therefore you are. These are true things that we can agree on and I think are important to have a fundamental objective truth because if we keep this postmodernist sort of mentality about everyone has a subjective reality whose truth truth is true that we're actually not going to get to a fundamental objective layer of truth that we can build our civilization on so we need to get to that fundamental.

Of objective truth Kevin. What do you think about that before we get? Yeah. No. I mean I've thought a lot about this how you transcend that Gap though is a question. Right? Like I mean clearly, you know, truth truth equals things backed by facts and data, right? We know that but. People believe in different facts and data, right?

And so, um, there's certain things people agree on more like cancer and there's other things like climate change that people are all over the place. I'm right. So how do you sort of bring everyone to the middle and a kind of Common Core understanding? Um, You know, I if you ask me here ago, I would have said the answer was clearly and articulately show the data, but we know from building businesses and we know from what happened with Facebook and Cambridge and look at that.

That's not the case that's only half of it, right half of it is understanding the other. Half of it maybe even 75% of it is marketing and getting the word out there, right because there's only 24 hours in the day and no one no one is competing Coke is no longer competing with Pepsi. Everybody is competing for our time right our attention, right?

And so, um, How do you how do you there's no Revenue model talking about things being sustainability. How do you build sustainability into getting the word out there right about gun violence or humanitarian crisis overseas, right or cyber governance with artificial intelligence, right? Like how do you build these sustainable models to get that there?

I think for the most part, you know, that's not profits are starting to see be corpse. We're starting to see better ways of doing this. Um, But there is some huge problems to be solved man. Like there's so much. Um, you know, I would love to see over overpopulation is is is not something people like to talk about but that's happening.

Um, You Know There's 7 billion people on the planet. There's enough food, right? So, how do we how do we. Sustain that right? Maybe the answer lies in by us going to Mars. We figure out new farming methods that unlock the potential to feed a population that size. Right but um there needs to be more people working in science, um in my opinion and and getting the word out there and solving these things in a responsible ethical ethical way.

Yeah. And yeah, and this is perfect segue into the next question, so. Give me an idea about what we should do on the wealth and equality side of things. Well, I mean, I don't know that I have the answer, right? Um. But unfortunately like it's weird how this is. It's also connected right because like it's still having the same conversation, right?


you know teachers don't teach it, right you need to have mentors but you need to have access to those metrics, right? And so if you grew up in a certain situation where you didn't have an environment that fostered those mentors, right? Um, then you don't learn those lessons and then you stay in the same situation, right?

So, um, whereas if you grow up in an environment, you know in country clubs right where um, there's just surrounded by rich people and that's all anyone's talking about is like during lunch. People are talkin about ways to make $100,000 on real estate in the next two months. Right? And and so you pick that up at the new figure out how to do that yourself writing.

So it's all about environment and the good news. Is that the internet. Breaks that a little bit right? Um in a good way where you can come up somewhere and follow you no vote. The reason I even venture capital is because a guy from my hometown. Uh, Buffalo Chris sacca was a venture capitalist and I started following on Twitter and hearing about what he was doing.

I was like, oh this is interesting and I if he tweeted a link to an article, I would read it, right so you could sort of start to use the internet to find ways and learn. If you're awake enough to look for other paths right to our Point earlier, um, and so I think the internet will help to some extent but then the the problem that immediately comes once that happens is the bar goes up right because the moment you have more people playing the game competition gets higher and it's harder to succeed within it right.

Um, you got more more stronger baseball players than it's going to be harder to beat the Yankees. Um, right and so it's a chicken and an egg problem, but I do think that the internet will help solve it to an extent and I think as blockchain blockchain is basically a decentralized version of the internet, right?

So we're basically again takes these like pockets of information and then just breaks them up even more and puts them around the world on separate servers and and democratizes access to them. Right? You don't have to pay to necessarily have a subscription to the New York Times to get that information you can.

You know get it through mind token or whatever, right? So, um, I think the internet will help solve it. It will also simultaneously raise the bar, um, but you know to your point, I think people just we need we need people to know that they need mentors to get mentors, right and we need um people that are good mentors to realize that just how valuable.

Taking half hour of coffee to help someone else out is right because this this is what happens as well as if I'm really good at um, throwing a baseball or starting a company right? Maybe that comes naturally to me, right? And so. But I feel like I still have so much to learn. I'm not that great.

Right and you don't people don't always appreciate how naturally good they are things and and and and then therefore just how much value they could be giving someone else who is a little bit further behind right? And so, um having that self-awareness to know that you can give back to try to get back to set time aside to give back will help.

Um, You know, I don't know how I'm not sure how we do that on a global scale. But uh, maybe there's a start-up idea there for someone. Yeah you I like how you looped it back to what we were talking about earlier. Um, so importance of mentorship the importance of. Um, uplifting people and underprivileged communities, um and getting like you said a mentor in that underprivileged Communities going to help so much access to technology like Pewters in the under privileged areas going to help so much with uh exacerbation of wealth inequality.

Maybe they can even LeapFrog up and catch up faster so we can fill that Gap. Um, yeah, I'll comes out it all comes down to information and and who has access to what information. Web information access the information Highway. We just talk to Mel King and Susan Clemson at the South End tech center in Boston and they were totally all about that.

How close are you to the information Highway do you have to drive 15 minutes or take the bus 15 minutes to get to the information superhighway or is it right in your pocket already? So, um, there's that there's so much more but how about I ask you a question and then we'll end with you. Um. What do you think is the most beautiful thing in the world?

Yeah. All right, this is tricky. Um, so I was thinking about this as I was listening to your episode of the day and it's interesting because he broke it down by time and you know, the bridge was the most beautiful thing today, but you know, um time was the most beautiful thing long term. I have to say I think it's honestly just life.

Right? Like I got a degree in cognitive Neuroscience. I hope founder start companies which is kind of people choosing the other path and honestly almost an extension of my degree where I'm trying to understand how people can navigate the world and not Terrier ways, right? And so, um, it's it's life man.

It's it's you know, Something happens before we're born but none of us can remember it. It's just an infinite Blackness, but other people can remember it they existed during that time. So stuff must have happened, right and then and then we created and we have a childhood and and then here we are as adults where hopefully, um, we're not just Meandering down some path that other people told us to do or were figuring out our passions were figuring out what we care.

Outright. We're trying to figure out how to manifest that in reality. Like that's beautiful. Right like literally taking something that's just an idea in your head and and making it real and other people are touching it and it's helping them write like people listen to this podcast and they're gonna listen and learn from that right that's going to magnetize information.

I'd say the most beautiful thing. It's like it's one its life, but then it's too. Making the most of that right and and being able to hopefully when we're older look back and say I didn't waste any of it. Um, if I did waste some of it I had a good time. I spent it with Francis. I spend it with friends and you know family and um, but I don't think that's time wasted either right?

So yeah, that's a super high level super generic, uh question. But um, I think this this all this. Just around us is as life and actually wanted to touch on something to your point. I was reading on your website. Um 100 billion people have lived and died before us and this was actually on your personal website.

Um, and you said, you know, we are just seven percent of all the people that have ever existed. The other ninety two billion built the homes the school's the hospitals the water mains the gas lines the economies that we now have that give us food water. And so it's really just this beautiful tapestry.

And what are we going to contribute to that tapestry? Yes, that's that's beautiful my mind. I love that. I love how you answered that. I love the analogy you made tapestry. It's the social fabric that's been made by this life life is the most beautiful thing and what we make what we made together to get to here.

And then how are we going to contribute as we've been born into it? Um, yeah. Yeah love in it. Awesome. Well, thank you for for coming on the coming on my show and having me on your show. Um, and I'll do a quick shame. Plug for anyone listening on uh, I'm simulation. If you want to check out ambition today.

We are anywhere podcasts are found some great guests on some of the same guests if anyone wants to get it up to your story and likewise if you're listening on a mission today, be sure to check out simulation. Allen has put together an amazing Daily Show here. Um, and uh, yeah, thanks for doing this.

I'm excited. We'll have to do it again in the near future. Yeah, Kevin. This was an absolute blast. Thanks everyone for tuning in definitely go check out ambition today with Kevin Siskar, uh, go check out some of the work that the founder Institute does and get inspired and potentially get started with your business find those mentors around you that can help push you find those alternative paths and walk down on them and Inspire other people to do the same.

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